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Comment/feedback # 42
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zm5QVcTI2I8
"Affirmative Action | Patriot Act with Hasan Minhaj | Netflix"
Hasan Minhaj very eloquently (and comedically) puts the argument into perspective. For commenting on #42 |
Comment/feedback # 39
| Is Harvard racist? Yes!
Sam Liang
Linkedin For commenting on #39 |
Comment/feedback # 41
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| Dear SAM: Thank you for accommodating our request for a poster to provide his/her FULL NAME. Hopefully, this will be a new tradition. 2 purposes will be achieved: 1) It shows that we have the courage of our conviction. Strange as it may sound "having he courage of our conviction" is NOT so common among AsAms. Hence, it'll add a now positive to our culture, and 2) It will expose those who want to pretend to be many different persons in posting on our Board. THANK YOU, SAM. S.B. Woo For commenting on #41 |
Comment/feedback # 38
| Lee Cheng's narrative is powerful, direct and convincing.
SB, your new request has its blessings. Thanks for your good work.
Frank Cheng For commenting on #38 |
Comment/feedback # 40
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| Dear Frank:
Thank you for accommodating our request that a poster will leave his/her FULL NAME. Hopefully, this will be a new tradition. 2 purposes will be achieved: 1) It shows that we have the courage of our conviction. Strange as it may sound "having he courage of our conviction" is NOT so common among AsAms. Hence, it'll add a now positive to our culture. 2) It will expose those who want to pretend to be many different persons in posting on our Board, although posting many comments is OK so long as his/her full name is provided at each post. THANK YOU, FRANK. S. B. Wooo
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Comment/feedback # 36
| Dear 80-20 EF supporters: We are now requesting that all posted views will contain the poster's FULL NAME at the end of his/her message. The grayish words present as the first line in the window will disappear as soon as you start typing in you message. Please let me know if you like this new request or not. Many thanks. SB For commenting on #36 |
Comment/feedback # 35
| Great, S.B. for your work. Well done and well expressed. I am with you whether you get a note from me or not. I can get too busy and it is hard to reply to all email.
I know we contributed to 80-20 in the past, but I can't find anything. We are working on how much we can give after we paid the taxes. The Bay area taxes are outrageously high. Wonder if we are discriminated on taxes especially property taxes. People with Chinese names get assessed more??? Got to look into that too.
Blessings to you,
Barb For commenting on #35 |
Comment/feedback # 31
| Needless to say, we appreciate your effort. I didn't like the video because it framed the issue as right wing vs. left wing, taking the side of the right wing. Most Asian Americans are left of center and the issue is not right or left. Asians voted more for Obama than any other group except blacks. The video also pushes viewers to support this particular right wing site on Youtube by asking them to sign a petition supporting this right wing site. As I see the issue, the Right is using the Asians to fight the Blacks and Hispanics benefiting the Asians but thinking it will also benefit the Whites particularly in the long run when further legislation can be made. The Left is using the Blacks and Hispanics to fight the Asians benefiting the Whites, Blacks, and Hispanics at the expe ... more ... |
Comment/feedback # 32
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| Dear Ming:
I agree with you in everything except seeing the video as a left versus right issue. However, you are not the only one who sees it that way. Had I known that problem, I would have asked Lee Cheng to redo it and get another URL for it. Too late. Sorry. SB For commenting on #32 |
Comment/feedback # 30
| In Comment 13, "Luke" claimed “ I don’t speak on behalf of Harvard. I’m an AsAm Harvard Alum…” In Comment 15, "Luke" spoke like a Harvard admissions officer & presumed that AsAms were unhappy about Blacks & Hispanics getting in. Wrong! Our complaint is Whites getting an 140 SAT pts advantage over AsAms. "Luke" didn't address that. In Comment 17, "Luke" mentioned "a "tip" to alumni children in ties but that's much less than alumni would like'. Wow, alumni must be really important in "Luke" mind. Should "Luke" addressed Harvard's “personality rating” which all AsAms are unhappy about? In Comment 17, "Luke" clearly spoke on behalf of Harvard. What kind of an AsAm is "Luke"? Will "Luke" surface please? INTEGRITY? S. B. Woo ... more ... |
Comment/feedback # 34
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| I'll respond to the points you've raised. #13, I can't speak on behalf of Harvard because I don't work for them. I want to make that clear. What's wrong with that? #15, I was responding to the data that was presented for Blacks and Hispanics. With regards to the 140 SAT difference with whites, I would make the same point. The data needs to be separated between recruited athletes versus non-recruited athletes. Asian Americans are under-represented in the athlete pool, so they won't benefit from being allowed to have academic standards one standard deviation lower. There are also certain buckets that are also very over-represented by Asian Americans. For instance, great violinists and pianists. Quadrupling the candidates with that credential isn't going to make Harvard quadruple th ... more ... |
Comment/feedback # 29
| WARNIGN! WARNIGN! WARNIGN! WARNIGN! DISHONESTY DISCOVERED. Items 13, 15, 17 and 19 were all posted by the same person whose e-address is Luke@ …… He pretended to be different persons who were each supporting Harvard. Why are supporters of “race preference admissions” always practice deception? This happened in 2012, when a well-known AsAm "civil right leader” in LA pretended to be different persons & posted 32 posts on a day some 200+ posts were posted. Go to http://mathisaac.org/c/dm/8/bb & click on "Dishonesty exposed/ Let's disagree agreeably (05/01/2012)". See Comment # 30 above for my comments on this Luke@ … person. S. B. Woo For commenting on #29 |
Comment/feedback # 33
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| What are you talking about?
I'm not trying to hide my identity. Those are my posts and I stand behind them. This bulletin board doesn't support showing a user name to indicate those were my posts. For commenting on #33 |
Comment/feedback # 25
| The Asian students in Harvard are already over-represented, with a presence more than twice their percentage in the national population. On the other hand, the white students are under-represented.
Asians benefit from a society that gives them many opportunities. But many of them refuse to bear any social responsibilities.
The same Asian students will find out there is affirmative action required in most workplaces. The purpose of affirmative action in an organization's recruitment practices is to increase the pool of qualified candidates from diverse groups. Employers accomplish this through broadening their advertising reach and via outreach programs designed to attract women and minorities. Would those same Asian students cry out again? Grow up or fail.
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Comment/feedback # 22
| Thank you for the video clip. I have one question though – do you support an affirmative action in favor of other racial minorities such as Hispanics and blacks?
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Comment/feedback # 23
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| Dear Steve:
Yes, 80-20 EF does support AA. However, not all the groups who support SFFA or Ed Blum are of the same view. Most don’t support AA at all.
Regards, SB
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Comment/feedback # 26
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| I support your movement because it is injustice to limit the number of Asian Americans to secure the majority number for whites at leading universities. It is where our fight should be directed, and it should not be directed against affirmative action. It would be a wrong fight; an attempt to eliminate affirmative action would also turn the other minorities against your movement or render them largely unsympathetic, and it is not a good strategy, either, where we need support from the other minorities. I have heard some whites and some Asian Americans advocating the elimination of affirmative action all together, implying that Asian Americans could take up the resulting openings, and I think it is another form of injustice – i.e., whites maintaining the majority number, Asian American ... more ... |
Comment/feedback # 24
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| Dear Steve:
Yes, 80-20 EF does support AA. However, not all the groups who support SFFA or Ed Blum are of the same view. Most don’t support AA at all.
Regards, SB
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Comment/feedback # 18
| The answer is obvious. However, there are many institutions who are established with the endorsement and resources from a particular community. This country has been developed in this very tribal yet incredibly efficient way. The next challenge for this country is to see beyond the immediate benefits to individual communities rather a nation and the people as a whole. It has been difficult. That is why the winning of this law suit against Harvard will set a tune for all universities and colleges as well as other institutions to adopt a merit based system for all people regardless of their origin, culture background, ethnicity, and skin color. If this country would like to have a bright future, we must be courageous enough to see beyond our own origin, culture heritage, ethnicity, and race ... more ... |
Comment/feedback # 19
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| Why do you say the answer is obvious? Harvard has never claimed to be an academic, merit based contest. In fact, they clearly say they aren't. They are recruiting and filling many buckets from personal experiences, family background, athletics, activity interests, intended majors, accomplishments, etc. They are not trying to only have people who can do well in class. They are not just trying to have piano players, hockey players, STEM majors, etc. For instance, they have a Classics department. They will seek to have X number of students each year interested in that field. Those candidates will be among the best in Latin and Ancient Greek. Meanwhile, they have way too many people interested in Computer Science, so they won't be giving any candidate an advantage expressing in ... more ... |
Comment/feedback # 16
| Yes, Harvard gives a lot of space to the rich. If a rich's kid has his father or grandparents donating millions of dollars to the school, the kid is surely getting accepted. Also, the legacy policy is not fair to the kids who have no relationship with Harvard, especially Asian kids who have no legacy to Harvard at all.
Anyway, an excellent Asian student who is not rich nor does he have any legacy relationship has much less opportunity to get in.
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Comment/feedback # 17
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| This is so wrong. There are very few alumni who can donate millions. Mathematically, if everyone who attended Harvard married someone outside of Harvard and had two children, every generation would have twice as many alumni children as alumni. They could fill twice the class each year with only alumni children. Data shows that alumni kids get admitted at 3 times the rate of non-alumni children. About 17% versus 5% for the whole pool. That may seem unfair, but is it? It would be surprising if alumni children were admitted at a lower rate than everyone else, so we'd expect a higher rate if there were no preference, especially with the advantages that parents can provide when they value education and are wealthy. Harvard says they'll give a "tip" to alumni children in ties but t ... more ... |
Comment/feedback # 15
| Harvard Admissions Statistics. Here's some information on the awful chances of getting into Harvard. There are 40,000+ high schools in the US. Harvard College accepts 2,000 students a year. That's less than one per 20 high schools. Mathematically, 19 valedictorians and all the students in their school, plus all the students in the 20th school, with the exception of one, cannot be admitted. Most school districts don't have 20 high schools. There were 43,000 applicants last year with an overall admissions rate of <5%; >95% are rejected. The admissions office says 90% of the applicants can do the academic work and 80% can do it at an honors level. Once academic standards are met, the competition is on non-academic issues. That said, better grades and test scores matter. The 75th pe ... more ... |
Comment/feedback # 14
| Yes, probably but most ivies are For commenting on #14 |
Comment/feedback # 13
| I'd like to shed some light on alumni interviews and how its high ratings of candidates may not be inconsistent with the admission officers rating them lower because they are looking at different data. Note this is my opinion and experience, and I don't speak on behalf of Harvard. I'm an Asian-American Harvard alum who has interviewed probably 100 candidates over 30 years. Maybe 3 to 5 students a year. In general, all the candidates are wonderful. They are a self-selected group of accomplished, interesting, and amazing kids. They should do well no matter where they go to college. Some are frankly, far more qualified than me when I applied decades ago, but of course, the world is different. Note that as an interviewer, I don't get any information about the candidate from the a ... more ... |
Comment/feedback # 12
| The video does a good job illuminating Harvard’s discriminatory practices; however, it would be much stronger if it were to offer a solution where race could be used as a plus factor for under-represented minorities while not being used as a negative factor for Asian Americans. As it stands, the video could simply be used as ammunition for the right wing which would like to get rid of all forms of affirmative action. Indeed, it is disturbing that the video is being circulated by “Prager University” which seems to be a right wing organization of some sort. I was aghast at the list of other videos that were presented to me as a result of my having viewed the video by Lee Cheng. We can do better— we would be in a much stronger (and morally superior) position if we were to fight f ... more ... |
Comment/feedback # 21
(A feedback on # 12
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| I don't think the right data is presented. The academic data needs to be separated between the recruited athletes (20% of the class) from the non-recruited pool. The NCAAA and Ivy League have recruitment rules. The Ivy League limits the lower academic standards of recruited athletes within one standard deviation of the non-recruited students (using the NCAA academic score). I think that's an average difference so there may be individuals substantially lower than that. Showing test scores across racial groups needs to be separated between those getting Likely Letters from coaches versus those who don't. It's well documented that Asian Americans are very under-represented among the recruited athlete applicants. For personality ratings, alumni interviewers in their one hour meet ... more ... |
Comment/feedback # 9
| Dear Professor Woo: Thank you for your decades' tireless and effective leadership in helping Asians in America and in making America a better place for all. I am in dispute with my employer Shepherd University in Shepherdstown, WV about promotion. I would like to forward to you this and 2 more e-mails describing the issues. I have gone through the legal grievances hearings of the West Virginia Public Employees Grievance Board by myself. Recently I filed charges of discrimination, harassment and retaliation at the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC). I would appreciate your advice and if possible, introduction to legal help. Thank you again for your time. Best Regards, Mengyang Li Associate Professor of Chemistry Department of Chemistry Shepher ... more ... |
Comment/feedback # 10
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| Dear Prof. Li:
Thank you for your email and kind words. Owing to our lack of financial and human resources, 80-20 EF has decided a long time ago to focus our energy and resources on issues that impact the largest number of AsAms in the deepest ways. We don't take up cases for individuals unless a case has landmark implications. Sorry. I wish you good luck in your court case. SB For commenting on #10 |
Comment/feedback # 11
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| To Mengyang Li: It is a lonely fight but you have to be strong for yourself, your family and other Asian Ams. Since it is costly to hire a knowledgeable lawyer, you have to do your own legal work. Familiarize yourself with relevant EEO laws and regulations. Document every incident that you believe was discriminatory. Document your accomplishment. Examine how others are treated. When you talk to your supervisor, tape record it secretly. You need guts and practice to do it. Practice at home. Study your state law about the legality of secret recording. Don't reveal what you have recorded until absolutely necessary. If you are a new immigrant from China, you have to improve your English, both in speaking and writing. In my case of decades ago at a Federal research institute, my Division dir ... more ... |
Comment/feedback # 20
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| To Dr. Tanaka:
Thank you very much for sharing your valuable experience and recommendations. I appreciate it. Doing my own legal work is time consuming, but I managed it through for the past one and half year. I am getting better at it. This fight is worth the labor.
Best Regards,
Mengyang Li
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Comment/feedback # 2
| What do you think about Andrew Yang running for President? For commenting on #2 |
Comment/feedback # 3
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| Do you think he has adequately prepared himself, before becoming a presidential candidate? What office has he held before? Is he going to bring our community recognition for our political maturity and awareness? Or is he going to cause the opposite to happen?
Please ask yourself these questions. Thanks. For commenting on #3 |
Comment/feedback # 7
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| Someone has to start to get the ball rolling For commenting on #7 |
Comment/feedback # 8
(A feedback on # 7
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| True. Is it important whether one gets the ball rolling forward or backward for our community? Politics needs be learned just like everything else. SB For commenting on #8 |
Comment/feedback # 1
| Prof. Woo,
Sec. Chu's appearance in the 1st meeting didn't surprise me at all; he is his father's son. The old Dr. Chu was active among Chinese Students, helped the others to return China in the fifties and frequently visited China after 1979, although he chose staying.
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Cheers,
Fan
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