I consider the current wording to be worthless, as it only stipulates that the indicator must be visible, but not the focused element.

That seems odd to me, as during the research & testing it was easy to find examples where the focus indicator would be hidden but the element was partially or completely visible.

Have you come across examples where the indicator is present but not the element?

I'm not opposed to lining it up more closely with 2.4.11, e.g:

Unobscured: No part of the item with focus is hidden by author-created content.

However, I think that is easier to meet than the current wording.

Have you come across examples where the indicator is present but not the element?

The problem can always occur when the focus indicator is only on one side and not around the item, as in Example 3 or Example 16.

Therefore I think the SC should require that the focus and the focused element are fully visible, as long as the focused element is not too large for the viewport

And for level AAA, it might even be required that form fields not only have the field in the visible area when it receives the focus, but also its label (if the field has an explicit label and is not only indirectly labelled, e.g. via a column header in a table)

The problem can always occur when the focus indicator is only on one side and not around the item, as in Example 3 or Example 16.

In those examples the focus indicator is inside the element, so would be covered by the current wording.

I think the SC should require that the focus and the focused element are fully visible, as long as the focused element is not too large for the viewport

Ok, so this is essentially a duplicate of #1271, saying that the AA version should be 'fully' visible rather than allow for particial obscurement.

Hi everyone,

As per #1271, the group agreed this response to this issue: